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You all have heard me talk about human design on the show before, but today we’re going even deeper. Human Design is a synthesis of ancient wisdom and modern science that sheds light on a person’s energetic makeup. As well as the specific tools they can use to live at their happiest, healthiest, highest potential. I love the way that my guest today talks about human design. Her name is Erin Claire Jones, and she says it doesn’t change who you are, it teaches you who you are. And offers us this beautiful insight into what’s possible for you, and highlights the significance of understanding, and living as the fullest expression of yourself. Erin is a human design expert who has helped thousands of individuals, as well as companies, step into their work and their lives as their truest, most authentic selves. So they can step into their highest potential using human design as a framework. Her work as a guide, a coach, and a speaker has attracted a growing community of over 60,000 people. Who turn to her for her teachings and her practical, digestible tips and tools and ways to access this deeper self-awareness and knowledge. You’re going to hear all about human design today from two projectors. We’re going to talk about all the different types and so much more, so let’s get started.
Sarah: Erin, welcome to the show. I’m super excited to have you on today.
Erin: Thank you. I’m so excited to be here.
Sarah: I was just telling you, before we pushed record, that I’ve chatted a bit about human design on the show before, but never had an expert on. And so, I’m super excited to have you here today. And I’d love just in case anyone’s popping in for the first time, to just do a quick, what is human design?
Erin: Of course. So we discussed before it’s kind of endless, but it is a system based on your exact time, date, and place of birth. And the idea is that it really gives your energetic DNA. And so, what I mean by that is how are you meant to make decisions, and communicate, and work within teams, and collaborate and be in partnership. And be in an ideal environment that basically gives us our unique blueprint. And there are about 2 billion different configurations that really reveals our uniqueness, but also gives us the tools to step into it. And the last piece I would share is that what drew me to human design is that, even though it can feel mystical and that the information does come from the stars, it feels so unknown. The information itself is so tactical, and so simple, and so grounded, and so actionable. And I think so often we don’t need more information. We just need like the right information at the right time, to actually have an impact in our life. And I think human design does such a beautiful job of that.
Sarah: Yes, I so agree. And I have been working over the last year and a half or so to actually be in alignment with my projector strategy. Because I feel and sense that I was really trying to live a different type, and live by a different strategy. That was much more I’d say, generate our manifesting generator. Do you see that a lot where people try to chameleon into a different type? Or is it seen in society where we try to be all one type?
Erin: So often. It’s funny, in some ways I feel like a lot of projectors chameleon in a generator, manifesting generator. Just because generators and manifesting generators are the types that make up the majority of the population. And they’re the doers and the creators and so our biggest shadow is overdoing. So we’re just, we can do it, we can keep up, so I definitely identify with that. But I also find actually a lot of manifesting generators and generators have been trying to be a manifestor. And so, I think that it’s not always consistent. I think so often we are trying to be something that we’re not. And human design is returning us to who we are, but I do find that so common with projectors. I’ve experienced it myself, and you’re also an energy projector, so I am as well. So it’s you’ve got energy. So again, I think there’s even more I can keep up, I can do it. So I think it either requires a bit more de-conditioning of, Oh wait, I’m actually not going to be able to do it.
Sarah: Yes. And that was such a big permission slip for me as I dug into my own chart, realizing that I have unsustainable energy on the generator types. And just this deep exhale of “Sarah, you don’t.” Yes, I’m very creative, very inspired, love to do all the things. I don’t have to be doing them all of the time. And I took a deep exhale, took a step back, and realized that was part of my programming. So before we get ahead of ourselves, I’d love to just summarize it and go over all of the different types that people can be.
Erin: Perfect. So you guys probably looked up your design already, because I know you’ve talked about this before. If you haven’t, my website is erinclairejones.com/lookup, but there’s also lots of places. So there are five different types of generators, manifesting generators, projectors, manifestors and reflectors with each type comes a strategy. And the one that you’ve all shared, the type is just the first piece. You and your partner are both generators, yes, there might be similarity in some ways, but there’s so much more than both distinguish you. So generators and manifesting generators make up the majority of the population. And no way, this means you’re not unique. It is just the first distinction. So these are basically the people that have the energy and the life they’re going to build, and create, and bring things to life.
I’ll talk about them together, and then apart. And so they’re both designed to wake up in the morning with a full tank of energy, to use up their energy in super-satisfying ways that crash and wake up recharged. And they haven’t fully exhausted their tank. They’ll probably go to bed and feel pretty restless, or even just depleted because they haven’t even used their energy in a way that feels good. And the more they use their energy in ways that uniquely light them up, the more energy they will have in the morning. It will uplift everyone around them. So I would encourage both types to just take inventory. What are the assets of your life that are lighting you up and energizing you the most? What are the things that are depleting, and draining you, can you let go of those things?
Manifesting generators are multi-passionate by nature. These people are not meant to do just one thing using my clients. I am a coach, I have a podcast, I’m a mom, I own a dance studio, now I’m doing this thing. It’s so often, that they maybe feel scattered or they’re doing too much, that they actually need that level of stimulation to be successful and excited. And their gift is really in pivoting, as soon as the energy is all over there for something. And they’re gifted at moving quickly, but sometimes it’s skipping a few steps along the way. So it’s always good to have the right support around them. Generators are more on mastery. It’s going deep into the thing and then when it’s time, moving on. The type, the strategy for both these types is we call it, ‘wait to respond’. Also known as just magnetism. The idea is that you’re not meant to chase after anything. Life is meant to come to you and you’re here to wait for somebody to spark your gut, before you go after it. Clear, any questions on that?
Sarah: No perfect. And it’s good to understand the distinction between the multi-passionate versus the level of mastery. And I work with a lot of manifesting generators who even feel overwhelmed by their multi-passionate self. And they feel, especially in the coaching industry, it’s niche down, niche down, niche down. And they are, “I can’t do it.” There are too many things I love. And whenever I talk to a manifesting generator, I just remind them that maybe they’re not meant to niche down like a generator, or even myself as a projector. But that was really clear the way you described that.
Erin: Yes. And it’s also, their careers aren’t meant to be linear. I assessed a woman last week and she’s like, “I hate my job, not because it’s a bad job, but just because it’s just one thing. I get bored so quickly.” And so it’s just, they can be an intrinsic great job and make themselves wrong or because they’re not satisfied. And so again, maybe the multi-passion extends beyond work. It’s this is my work and then I’ll do other things. It can have so many different manifestations.
So the projector. So you and I are both projectors and these are basically the people that are really here to be the leaders, the guides, the advisors, the teachers, not here to do all the doing. Projectors are very diverse. There can be so many different types of projectors, but in general, it’s so important for us to honor the ebbs and flows of our energy. We often don’t have that same consistent access to energy is generators and manifesting generators do. And so, it’s really about leveraging that energy when it’s there, and resting when it’s not. And not going to have to measure our worth by how hard we’re working or how much we’re doing, but more in our perspective in the way that we see the world. And projectors bring so much in the world just through the right perspective and guidance. They tend to be very naturally sensitive to other people’s energy. And so, they can be amazing CEOs, or management, or psychologist, or therapist, whatever it is. They’re just so good at seeing what the other person needs, and asking the right questions and guiding them in that direction.
They’re also really good at asking questions. I find a lot of podcast hosts are projectors. And often, projectors can work in lots of different ways. But it is good to work with people one-on-one. Sometimes, only because we have this training energy, that can make people feel very student recognized. I personally have limits for how much one-on-one I can do, but it is a very powerful use of our energy. And the strategy for assets projectors is basically around waiting for a sense of recognition and invitation before engaging. One thing I’ll just remind people of is that might feel disempowering at first. What do I do, sit on the couch? I definitely had that experience first off.
Sarah: Me too.
Erin: And I learned a couple things. One, you don’t need an invitation for everything. So you don’t need an invitation to start a podcast or even moved to a new city. But what about dating someone, working with someone, living with someone? That’s why the invitation piece is so key. And it’s really just a sense of feeling authentically recognized for who you are. So you can flower in that way. Also, your job as a projector is to make yourself visible, let people know that you exist. If you start being super pushy, and pitching certain people, which my first iteration of my human design company was just companies. So I was reaching out to companies, and it was just not working. But I think this integration, since 2018, has been basically just sharing about what I do in a really broad way, and letting the right people come. And so I would, as a projector, make it your job to make yourself visible and let people know that you exist. And that will allow the right people to come to you.
Sarah: Yes. That’s me. And I feel I have finally stepped more into that. And I love that you made that point around it can feel at first glance, disempowering to think I have to wait for an invitation. The world’s telling me, just go do it, take initiative, but that’s not it. It’s not just sitting on your ass, waiting for things to come to you. And, I’ve learned that you can actually position yourself to receive more invitations as well. That energy, being really open and visible like you were talking about.
Erin: Totally. Yes. And so, it’s a proactive thing. And it’s also, when you shared about what you do, in a really inspired, authentic way. It just attracts people to you. And I would say also, as an entrepreneur and business owner, because it’s the dance as a projector, having the right support around you. I have always had a generator, or a manifesting generator business partner. I don’t think that’s required. But I do think that having that energy and support is going to be so useful. Do you have support around you?
Sarah: I do. I have a small team, mostly of manifesting generators.
Sarah: Yes. I think most of my clients. I also attract other projectors though. So I have projectors that want to work with me because they see the business I’ve created, and they want to create something similar. And then the manifesting generators and some generators as well in there, I think are more attracted to me because they want that energy. That leading, that guiding, that managing of their trajectory. And so, they come to me for different reasons, but I really see that in my business.
Erin: So funny and so cool. And it’s so useful. My first entry into human design was basically in supporting teams with it. Which is still a large part of what I do, but not exclusively what I do. And I just think it really is so next level to engineer teams based on human design. Because it just allows us to really optimize and leverage the people that we’re working with. So then the manifestors. So manifestors are the ones that are really here to initiate, get things done, get the ball rolling. Not always, do all the doing themselves, but often just to get things off the ground. Most important for manifestors is feeling a sense of freedom, and autonomy, and control. They’re really not here to be told what to do, or managed, or guided in any way. You’ve probably experienced that.
They’re managing thing’s on their own terms, and in their own way. And they can actually struggle a bit in the corporate environment and they’re just feeling confined in that way. So often they’ll thrive, they’re very naturally entrepreneurial, so charting their own path. But also, if they’re just good at freedom. This is your domain do what you please, let us know how it goes. They are pretty comfortable with solitude, and just being left alone to do it. They please, and their strategy is all about initiating. These are the people that are here to make the first move. When they have that urge to really pursue it and make it happen, they need no confirmation from the outside world. But there’s a dual piece where they also need to communicate to people what they’re going to do, before they do it. This is called, ‘informing’ in human design and it’s not about asking for permission. It’s not about explaining yourself, but just FYI, I’m leaving the room. I’m going on this trip. I’m going in this direction with my business. The idea is that you are so impactful with your energy as a manifestor. So, if you just let people know what you’re going to do, before you do it, people won’t resist it. And you’ll probably feel a lot more ease and support by the people around you.
Sarah: Yes. I have also worked with a handful of manifestors. Not as many, but it makes sense because you just said they don’t necessarily want to be managed, guided or led.
Erin: Totally, in the same way, yes.
Sarah: They want to do their own thing. They want that, that freedom. But when I have worked with manifestors, oftentimes we have to go back and reverse engineer a few things, because some of those steps along the path have been skipped. And, I’m curious with a manifestor, where’s that balance then of the initiating, getting the ball rolling, versus maybe the inclination to feel they have to then follow through, and do it, versus just initiating it?
Erin: Honestly because they’re energy beings, but their energies operate a bit more disperse, than generators and manifesting generators. Their energy is really in getting the thing off the ground. So the ideal thing for them would be to get the thing off the ground, and then hand it off to somebody else. Or move on to the next thing.
Sarah: Would they be good having a team underneath them as well. And then, a generator on their team?
Erin: Yes. And maybe even a projector to manage. I wouldn’t say that any type can’t manage. Projectors often make natural managers. It doesn’t mean that they have to manage. I think that they’re all going to manage differently. I think if a manifestor is to manage a team, it would just be inform everyone on what they have to do. And get out of their way and they get out of your way. But I do think that manifestors can often burn out, if they’re just trying to keep up and trying to sustain, because their energy is really getting the thing off the ground.
Sarah: Yes. That makes so much sense.
Erin: So it’s good to have support or just have a career where they can keep pivoting and moving, and based on what they’re inspired by in the moment.
Sarah: Yes. I feel like the coaching industry could be good for them. Because they get to do what they want, and they can change paths or trajectories at any point.
Erin: Totally. Yes, a hundred percent. And then we have reflector.
Erin: And so reflectors are 1%, so much rarer. And these people are incredibly sensitive to their physical environment. You could be a different type and also sensitive, of course. But, these people are basically taking everything in their space, and magnifying it. And so, you really get a good sense of how a team is doing, or company or community just by how their reflector is showing up. So, they’re so useful and powerful to have around because their perspective is so objective and invaluable. I would say as a reflector, be such a ruthless curator of who and where you’re spending time. You’re going to magnify whatever space you’re around, so make sure your home feels good, your city feels good, your office feels good, your community feels good. As soon as the space or community no longer feels good, give yourself permission to go.
I would say it’s as important to spend time with people, as it is to spend time alone. In some ways that’s going to be true for all of us. But I think reflectors are so sensitive to other people’s energy, that having their own space and retreat into it and releasing the stuff it’s not their’s is so useful. And also, their gift is in their fluidity. They’re going to have periods where they feel like a projector, like a generator, like a manifesting generator, like a manifestor. And so, the work is to not put a hook onto any of them, but be a little bit more open to what wants to come through me today? What feels like me today? And that might be different tomorrow or next week, and that’s okay.
And the last piece about reflectors is that in the context of business, we call these people ‘evaluators’. Just because their perspective, like I said, is so powerful. And so as reflectors, really check and admit where are the places in my life where my perspective is the most recognized and invited in? Because they’re a little bit similar to projectors in that way, or that invitation and recognition is such a beautiful opening for them.
Sarah: I have one reflector in my Empath Leaders Membership, and I love getting her feedback on the calls. It just feels like a really good reflection of the health of that community, of what people are getting from the sessions inside the membership.
Sarah: So I’m always asking her, how are you feeling? How’s everything going? And it’s super helpful to have her in there. I know it’s such a small percentage of the population that she’s actually the first reflector that I’ve ever worked with. I’m curious because I’ve been asked this question and I answered it to my best ability, but I’ve also seen it asked to other human design experts. And it’s about the empath in relation to human design. And in some ways how you were just describing the reflector, that sounds very empathy. The person who’s a sponge who absorbs their environment and can pick up on the energy and emotions and even physical sensations of others. But I know that depending on which centers are open, that could also be seen, it’s not that a reflector or maybe projectors are the only empaths of the world. So, I would love your take on how does empath play into the human design system?
Erin: It’s such a good question because basically, when you look at this chart, this crazy looking chart, that it’s probably going to not make sense at first glance. They’re going to be areas that are colored in and areas that are white. And the areas that are colored in are the areas that are operating more consistently within you, where you’re kind of deriving your energy from. And the areas that are white and open are the areas where you are the most sensitive and respective to other people’s energy. And this means that you’re not only going to feel other people’s stuff, but you amplify it. You feel more intensive than they do. So what makes a reflector a reflector is at every single one of their centers is this point. But for the other types, they’re going to have other centers that are white.
They might not have every single one, but they’re going to have a magnified experience in a few. So in terms of the empathic question, there is an emotional center of human design. And so, if that emotional center is open, I do often say these people are natural empaths, because they not only tune into other people’s stuff, but they experience it as amplified within themselves and more intensive than they do. And it can be overwhelming, but also allow them to be so wise about how emotions are affecting them and other people. But I also don’t think that it means you can’t be an empath as it’s defined. So you and I both have it defined, and it basically means that we have our own emotional experience and we can tune in and out of other people’s stuff, but hold our own at the same time. Do you feel that within yourself?
Sarah: Yes, absolutely. I feel like I am very sensitive to other people’s emotions, but there’s also a clear definition of how I feel within that.
Erin: Totally. You’ve got your own just clear boundary. Whereas if somebody had that emotional center open, like my partner has it open, so he’s just wide open. So often he’ll know what I’m feeling far before I know. But you also have other open centers, so that can also lead to just feeling empathetic in other ways. You’ve got that open sacral center, which makes you just sensitive to energy in general, wherever people are, being sensitive to other people’s stress, and how they communicate, and their ideas, and their opinions. So again, I do think that we all can be empathic in such different ways, but there is an emotional center which can shed some light on it, for sure.
Sarah: Yes. That’s super helpful. And I really appreciate your insight into that. Again, I’ve been asked that several times and I answered similar to you. Where it’s that one type is not the only way you can be an empath. And instead, we’re all just going to experience our sensitivities in different ways. Maybe depending on which of those centers are colored and are white or defined or undefined, as you were talking about.
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Sarah: I’m curious, just because when I’ve had people pull their chart, because I take it into consideration when I coach. And usually they’re, what the hell does all of this mean? Because it is very detailed and can be overwhelming when people first look at it. So I’d love for just us to zoom out for a second. And what are some of the things that, that show you, obviously, you know how to read the chart. But what can we learn about ourselves inside of this?
Erin: So I’ll say it is endless in the first place, I’m going to share the most important pieces. I can do one session with somebody or 40. There are so many layers, but I think that the most important pieces are, the type and the strategy which we about. So the type is how do you best express your energy in the world for us as guides? Your strategy is how you make and create opportunities for yourself? For us, that is waiting for that sense of recognition and invitation. There is something called your inner authority. Your inner authority is how you’re meant to make decisions. This is by far the most useful thing that I really believe in human design, because we’re making a decision every single day. So you and I are going to sleep on things and feel into things. Other people have, the more instantaneous knowing in their gut, or an instant intuitive knowing. Other people have to talk things out or speak what’s on their heart. So there’s so much around that one.
There’s something called ‘a definition’, which is how we best process information. So even though you and I are both emotional projectors, we have really different definition. So you’re very more independent, I working in a collaborative. When you look at all the open centers, so those white centers, those are the areas where you are, like I said, the most sensitive to other people’s energy, but also where you’re going to be white. So knowing those areas in you and your family, and the people you work with is so useful. There are things called channels and these are going to be aligned. They know you and know what they are, but the lines that kind of connect one center to another. So these are your natural strengths. So it’s really useful to know where they are, so you can lean onto them and into them even more.
There’s something called the profile, which is basically how you’re going to manifest your purpose. So for you, you know, it’s all about just like trial and error, experimentation and bumping into things, and making mistakes. And embracing that process and sharing your journey with the world. Whereas for me, it’s more about hermitting and just doing what comes easily and naturally to me. And then, there are also pieces around how we’re designed to best digest food, ideal environments for us. So it’s endless, but I do think all those pieces, can actually transform the way that we work once we know that. It’s you’re more independent, I need to really be in my own flow. Don’t mess with my flow. I’ll come and work with you when I want to. Whereas for me, it’s I find I’m homeless when I’m really around other people. So does it makes sense?
Sarah: Absolutely. And I heard you describe human design, as the science of understanding yourself. That makes so much sense. And there are so many layers to ourselves that we can get to know better and to understand. And therefore be more self-informed and be able to use that information in relationships or in decision-making. I want to go back to the decision-making. So I know myself as an emotional authority, I’ve actually been on discovery calls with potential coaches that I was going to hire. And, regardless of whether they know human design or not, I’m usually okay, so give me two or three days, I need to sleep on it. And not everyone loves hearing that answer, but I know for me, I need to feel into it and have a little bit of time. Not a month, but like you said, sleep on it and make sure it’s actually an aligned decision for me, versus what I often see.
And this is specific, I think to the coaching industry biz, these calls where they’re like, “make a decision now,” that just feels disempowering to me. And I try to take that into consideration when I’m on a call with somebody too. And that’s not the most empowering way for everyone to make a choice or to commit to something that’s a big investment. And so I just want the audience to know, and to be clear on these authorities, the way you make decisions that are the most aligned way, you make decisions. That can be within each type. For example, I’m an emotional authority as a projector, you could be emotional as a manifestor.
Erin: Totally, a manifesting generator.
Sarah: And then, can you just review those different types of decision-making again?
Erin: Yes. I would love to. I so appreciate that reflection because I think it’s been so useful just to know in general, that we all make decisions differently. Yes. Some people might know in the moment, but if they’re pressuring you. The decisions that I know that I make in the moment, I generally always regret. And so, it’s just like pushing and giving a little bit of time, is honestly better for anyone involved. But again, knowing how other people operate is so useful, because you might be, I make a decision so quickly, why doesn’t every else do it? And it’s, Oh, because they’re just wired differently. So if you are an emotional authority, this can be true for every single type of reflectors. It basically means you might have an initial gut response, or an initial intuitive knowing about something. But you’re basically for the big decisions, not designed to commit in the moment. Clarity for you comes with time. And so, the best thing that you and I can do, is take a beat. I’m not saying indefinite. It’s two to three days, just check in and be, am I still excited? You get the full picture when you give yourself a moment. And the key for us is to not make a decision from like a super high or low emotional place. I know if I’m on an emotional high, I’m yes, to all those things. And the next day I’m Oh my God, what did I commit to? So just giving yourself a moment is so useful. And a moment, I mean a day, two, three. If you are a sacral decision-maker, which is only possible for generators or manifesting generators, it means that you’re designed to make decisions based on your gut response, in the moment. You don’t think, or how often we hear follow your gut, listen to your gut. We don’t all have that gut instinct, these people do.
And so it’s really all about trusting that visceral feeling in the moment. It’s often not a thing that they can explain. It’s expanding or contracting they feel. And if you have a sacral decision-maker in your life. It’s really useful to ask them super specific questions. My partner, the sacral authority, if I ask him what he wants to eat for dinner, he just gives me a blank stare. I’m would you like to go out or cook at home? Do you want make this or this? Giving him options and giving him something to respond to, is so useful. So even for you, with your team and all the manifesting generators, just asking them those specific questions and giving them things to respond to, is such a powerful way to tune them into that visceral gut response.
Then we have splenic decision-makers, that’s possible for manifestors or projectors. Basically, it means you’re designed to make decisions based on your intuition in the moment. Intuition is different than the gut response. It’s just a quiet knowing, a resonance that you feel, a voice that you hear just tingles. And it is so spontaneous. So it disappears as quickly as it comes. So the work for these people is to basically get quiet enough to hear your intuition, and then just be courageous enough to act once it comes.
And then we’ve got ego decision-makers only possible for manifestors and projectors. Basically making decisions whether or not your willpower, whether you really have the willpower to do something. Whether you have the energy for it or is your heart really in it. These were designed to be very selfish in their decision-making. So really ask themselves will this incision truly take care of me? Knowing that self-projected is only possible for projectors. Their truth comes when it’s given a voice. The best that they can do is talk things out and let their truth come up through their words, where they’re not trying to control it.
Then we have mental decision-makers only possible for projectors. This would say ‘none’ if you look it up. It basically means you also have to talk things out, but you’re also very sensitive to your physical environment. So it’s going to depend on environments that feel good around people that you trust, and talking things out. It’s your best tool for clarity.
And finally, we have reflectors and they’re designed to give themselves a full 28 to 30 days before they make a big decision. I know that is not always feasible. And so, I think what I remind my reflector clients is just, know that you operate on your own sense of timing. So if you’re feeling really pressured into a decision, even like you mentioned, just know that just do things in your own way, on your own timing. And trust that, and just take as much time as you can. Because they’re similar to the emotional people in that, they experience it from all different angles, and to go and to drop them in there, this is really pressuring. So just being patient with themselves. Does this help?
Sarah: Yes. Super helpful. And I’m glad that you expanded upon the reflectors. Again, I only have one reflector client, but as I’ve just even done my own self-study on all the different types and these different ways of making decisions. I was thinking that similar to the way I felt disempowered initially about waiting for the invitation. I think reflectors could maybe feel disempowered initially around 28 days. A whole moon cycle. And I’m just grateful that you were able to show that’s not always feasible. But that, if you think about it and I make decisions in my own timing, that can only be more empowering.
Erin: Yes. And I think I would just remind people in general, human design is meant to be a system that empowers us and doesn’t limit us. And so clients come in, they’re I heard this, somebody said this, I read this. And I’m honestly, the magic is human design is designed to be something that we experiment with. At first I was, this invitation piece feels disempowering. How can I really experiment with it and see how it feels. So, I think that often, like just, I would say take the things that resonate, leave the rest, and use it as a tool to empower you and only support you. And so experiment with it, play with it, see what actually feels good and what doesn’t. Sometimes your friends are resistant, but they’re always, that is so true. But I think that we do have to make it so impactful to our lives, because I know that if they’re applying for a job, they aren’t going to be, give me 30 days and I’ll let you know. Maybe they’re okay, I’ve given myself a couple of days and I also give myself permission if I don’t like it in 30 days, I can move on. So even just finding ways to integrate it in a way that actually works, and doesn’t feel like it’s totally unrealistic.
Sarah: And that’s why it’s so helpful to get a reading or talk to someone who understands the chart, versus just trying to figure it out yourself. Because there’s more to it than what you see on the surface. I’m curious and now that everyone understands a little bit more about these types of how they make decisions, how do then, we all come together and create harmony in the world in all these different personality types?
Erin: Yes. Well, it’s so funny. Somebody asked me on a podcast recently, similar question in terms of how are we similar? The magic of human design is it actually reveals in all the ways in which we’re different. But I think in knowing how different we each are. It brings us so much closer together. And human design has really taught me that we just need each other. None of us are meant to do it alone. And that’s why when you’re building a team, it’s really great to have a manifester and a manifesting generator and a projector, and a generator. So I think that if we learn how different we each are, that I think we feel so much more compassionate and empathy and understanding. And we also know what kind of support we need.
And so I do think that often we get tripped up and we kind of expect people to be more similar to us or different than what they are. And that often creates more and more distance. And so even just understanding my family, my dad being a projector and my mom a manifester, it’s just so useful. I have so much more love and understanding of duh, this is how I can support you. So I do think it gives us tools to really understand each other on a deeper level, whether it’s personal or team. And really just meet somebody exactly where it is they are. And also, it’s not just we’re five types. It’s we are 2 billion different configurations. So we are all so wildly unique. I do believe the magic comes when we really stepped into that. There’s so many of those cheesy quotes that are so true. We really suck at being other people, and we’re so much better being ourselves. But I do think it brings so much more compassionate understanding, and I think it reminds us how much we need each other and that none of us are ready to go at it alone.
Sarah: Absolutely. I see that in the way that, today’s the last day of a launch period for me. And different types and different decision-makers need to hear different things from me, in order to feel confident in investing in a program. And I’m curious if you have anything around that, in the way that you promote offers, launch, share what you have to share with the world, depending on those types?
Erin: Yes. For you, it’s less about okay, well, how can I speak to manifestors and generators? And it’s more as a projector. As long as you’re inspired and excited about what you’re sharing. Sharing about it as in as many mediums as you feel excited about. And the other people will really feel into whether or not it’s right for them. When it’s about making decisions, it’s really reminding them to tap into their own inner authority. But it’s actually not a very strategic thing like how can I make this appeal to generators and manifesting generators? It’s when you just share it so authentically, they’ll know this is right for me. But it is really interesting. And again, projectors, we’re going to just share. Share, share, share, share.
Sarah: Yes. I once heard a good piece of advice that has worked well for me and I go live pretty often. And so, people can feel that excitement and that energy and to speak as if I’m speaking to that next one person, who’s going to be wanting the program.
Erin: I love that.
Sarah: And I’ve implemented that strategy as I’ve moved away from trying to be that manifesting generator, a couple of years ago. And that’s part of what’s changed for me in my business is, more lives, more speaking to that one soul. And speaking from my heart, my story, my excitement. And it is, there’s this energetic magnetism to it that feels easy. And again, as a projector who I’ve heard three to five hour hours of work a day, and initially, I was, Oh my God, how is that possible? But when I’m in that energy, it feels like miracles happen. And I don’t need to be at the computer and working so much.
Erin: All the time. Exactly, exactly. And we’re trying to figure out my business and how to take me out of most things. So my job is literally just to share, because that’s the piece, that’s the most fun, and honestly, the most impactful. But based on what you’re saying, there are a couple pieces. One, I love the example you shared sharing one-on-one. Because again, knowing that our energy is powerful, one-on-one, even just sharing what that energy. I was speaking to you even when your a projector and giving a talk, focus on one person in the audience. Lock in, that often is so powerful. I would also look at your profile for this piece, in terms of how to share, because you’re three, five.
I know we haven’t really dug deeply in here, but a few pieces would be tha, as a three, you are here to share your own journey. You are, I have experimented, I have made mistakes., I have failed, these are all the things that I’ve learned. Your experience, your wisdom is so powerful for other people. And also, because you have a five in your profile, you’re very much going to be a problem solver and a fixer. And so, I’m not solving all the problems obviously, but I think also being really clear, these are the things that I can help you see in a new way and help solve in a new way. And so the profiles can also often shed light on how I design it for the best market as well.
Sarah: Wow. That really resonates because I noticed that even in the posts or content that I put out, that is my storytelling, my journey, as an example of what’s possible for my ideal client. It’s just what people relate to, it versus the post where I’m trying to like prove a concept or go too into the weeds around teaching something. It doesn’t work as well for me. But you’re reflecting, my three-five profile within my projectorness. So that’s a good reminder for me, after we get off today because it is the last day in the launch.
Erin: Go in with your journey.
Sarah: I’m going to go in and I’m going to share some stories.
Erin: Of course, but say you have a one in your profile? I know people who are one in the world. But a one would be you’re here to be the expert. So you would actually want to be, I know all the things, I’ve studied all the places, I’m the authority you can trust that. So it’s again, it’s just reminding us that we’re all meant to do it a little bit differently. And things are often so much easier when we align with what uniquely works for us.
Sarah: Yes. So what about then in relationships? I’m thinking about myself and my husband. He is a generator. And when I first found that out, it was definitely a click aha, because I learned that as a projector, there’s unsustainable versus generator sustainable energy. And sometimes he just feels like the Energizer bunny. I cannot keep up with him. And there used to be some guilt around that, a lot of apologies. I’m sorry I’m too tired. I’m sorry I can’t do that. And then, coupled with chronic illness and autoimmune disease too. So, I see now how we actually pair really well together, but at a time I was apologizing constantly. So I’m just curious if you have any insight into, especially romantic partners what works? And I know there’s so much that goes into it, but I’d love your insight.
Erin: Well, one thing I’ll say is I’ve had people come in and can we go on a dating app? But, this site is not a thing where you’re I’m looking for a generator. When there’s chemistry, that’s like a perfect time to dig in and be, okay, are you guys similar are you really different? So I project that my partner’s also a generator. So I’m a little bit biased, so it’s not only because I’m in it, but I know for me personally that has been such a powerful combination. Only because we’ve embraced how different we are. And I’m sure it’s similar for you. If I tried to be more similar to him or keep up with him, which I tried in the past. It feels terrible for everyone.
And a very simple example is when we used to travel pre-COVID. When we would travel, we would land in a new city and he immediately has the energy to be, okay, let’s go, let’s explore. And I’ll just be okay yes, I’m going. And then, I would literally just keel over halfway down. Because I’m, my tummy hurts, I’ve been on a plane all day. He’s you have to go lay down for four hours and then we’ll revisit this. And so, just understanding that my job was not to keep up with him. And that we had really different levels of energy and different has been so powerful. So, I think looking at partnership is so useful. And I think that often when there’s a lot of similarity in the design, there’s just a real foundation of friendship. It’s I get you, we see things in a similar way. Say it’s like two generators, it’s amazing. We’re both energy beings. How can we encourage each other to do what lights us up? Even if it’s totally different than what the other person’s doing. I think often opposites attract as well. So, if you’re with somebody that’s really different, it’s just really important to understand how different you are. So, is your partner, is your husband emotional or stateville?
Sarah: I actually don’t know. I haven’t looked at his chart for over a year, but now I want to go back and look at it.
Erin: Yes. But it’s really useful. Maybe he makes decisions more quickly than you. He might have more energy. If you look at those open centers, you can see where you’re impacting each other with the energy. So, I project out my emotions, my partner takes it in, really useful to know those things. When I’m on an emotional low and he’s see you later, Erin. And not because he’s mean, but because he’s knows what’s happening and doesn’t take it personally. And so I think it sheds so much light on the energetic dynamics within a relationship, in a way that strengthens relationships so much, because you just understand what’s going on. So I really recommend people diving into it with their partners, and with their kids as well. Because again, it gives us so much permission to be different.
Also the last thing I’ll share on this, because again, it is so specific, like you said, to this specific combination. But there is a recommendation in human design, which has been really powerful for me, is around sleeping in your own space. I know that’s not always feasible or desirable for people in terms of having separate bedrooms or anything like that. But, as a projector you’re really sensitive and sleeping in your own energy is a way to wake up in your own space, and not take on energy that’s not yours.
And so my partner and I have our own bedrooms. We love sleeping together, but also, our default is apart. And so, that’s also just something to play with, with a partner. What happens if I go to bed earlier? Sleeping later? What if I do it in my own bedroom? I sleep on the couch some nights. I think that having that separateness in relationships, is so powerful. It’s a way to just return to our own energy.
Sarah: Wow. Okay. So my husband actually works the night shift. And so he is gone four out of the seven nights a week. And so, I think that actually works. I mean, I miss him.
Erin: You miss him in your bed. Yes.
Sarah: Yes. But having the bed to myself four nights out of the week is actually a really great thing. And I’m sure it’s not going to always be that way, but we’ve organically actually gotten into a bit of that rhythm. And I noticed that on vacation. We were just on a two week vacation and we were in a cabin and sleeping in the same bed every single night. And I just noticed that there’s been times where it would catch up to me, and I would need to just go into that bedroom, shut the door in the middle of the day and be alone. I need my alone time.
Erin: Totally. So important for you. And you’re also so independent. So I feel you just need to be in your own flow as well.
Sarah: Yes. That’s and that’s why he and I work. Another component is, he allows me to be so independent, and he’s just all right girl, you go get it. He cheers me on.
Erin: I love that. But then, it’s the magic. It’s also energetic. So another example of that, would it be somebody making you wrong for it? They are I want you to need me more. I would be more collaborative. And you’re like that’s not how I thrive. And so again, when you understand it, you stop taking it personally. And you always see exactly what’s going on, how can I best support my partner?
Sarah: You do readings for relationships or couples as well?
Erin: I do.
Sarah: I just would love to have more insight into it.
Erin: It is so revealing.
Sarah: But I just think that could be so revealing, and I know we’re at the top of our time, but it is obviously something that you can use with your children, as well as. Being able to support them and nurture them and their strengths.
Erin: From day one.
Sarah: Yes. From day one. So freaking cool. And I guess we didn’t say this at the beginning, but all you need is your birthday, time, and location to view that chart. We’ll put that into the show notes so you guys can, in case you haven’t already got your chart or know what type you are, and authority and all the different things that we talked about today. You can discover that. And Erin, I just love for you to wrap up with how we can learn more? What are some natural next steps that people can take from here?
Erin: I share a lot on Instagram, so that’s a fun place to start say on, Erin Claire Jones on Instagram, my website is erinclairejones.com. So the internet is a wild, wild west out there for you to find information, you’ve probably discovered that. In terms of my offerings are really a good place to start is something called a blueprint. Which is basically a 30-page PDF on your unique design. So walking you through your profile, your open centers, your channels, your type, all that stuff. It’s your own operating manual. So there’s a discount code for that, which is going to be ‘EMPATH’ and the URL is erinclairejones.com/blueprint. And then I also do individual sessions, partnership sessions, whether it’s seeing your business partner, or whether it’s a romantic partner, which is so useful. And then, I also do group workshops every couple of weeks, we’re going to dive deep into all those energy centers and explore them. And then I also do a group.
Sarah: Yes. This is just such empowering information to be able to apply to every area of your life. So thank you so much for helping everyone understand a little bit more today. I know we still only scratched the surface, but it’s so, so helpful. And thank you again.
Erin: Thank you so much for having me on.
Okay. So full disclosure being part of Soul Fire productions is the most magical fantastical thing, because it feels like a little soul tribe, a family of other podcast hosts, where we get to collaborate. We can get to mastermind and it brings so much joy to my life. And I am somebody who thrives on that community. So I want to introduce you to a few more of the podcast hosts inside of this network. Today, I’m going to introduce you to the most fabulous witches, their names are Leah Knauer and Rachel Laforest of Basic Witches. These ladies are next level. It is so much fun to be a fly on the wall during their conversations. And you can ride along during their episodes with Leah and Rachel, as they share their deep thoughts, deep breathing, and deep belly laughs. And open up with celebrity guests and professionals in the spiritual world that they have on as guests. They ask the basic questions so you don’t have to. Astrology.com loves them and I think you will too. So give this fiery Gemini and Scorpio duo a listen, anywhere podcasts can be found. And as the Basic Witches say HEX-O-HEX-O.
Thank you for tuning in to today’s episode. I hope you’re leaving with this sense of empowerment and starting to realize the numerous, numerous, numerous ways we can use human design in our life to feel more empowered or to apply it to your business, or to use it in helping to understand your partner and build healthy relationships or even with your children. It’s so incredibly empowering. And Erin has offered all of the Uncensored empath listeners, 10% off of their blueprint. This is a personalized guide to your unique design and you can simply go to erinclairejones.com/blueprint, and use the code ‘EMPATH’ at checkout for 10% off. All right, everyone, that’s all. Go take all this new found human design knowledge and start to apply it to your life. And we’ll see you on the next episode.
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October 2, 2020
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