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Hallie Mazurkiewicz is an entrepreneur, author, teacher, and transformational coach from New York City. Through her personal journey and unique childhood experiences, Hallie developed a passion for women’s work and advocacy in holistic health and the period space. Most recently, she founded her company Lunar Wild whose mission is to support and celebrate young women as they approach the onset of their first menstruation.

You’ll hear Hallie and I discuss:

• her vision quest in the desert
• the creation of Lunar Wild
• depression and chronic illness
• confronting yourself, in the silence
• honoring your feminine cycle

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Episode Transcript:

Hallie: We sometimes need permission to look after ourselves. When it’s someone else it seems totally fine, but it really wasn’t until I stopped on behalf of someone else, that I could see that I needed to heal.

Sarah: Hi tribe. I just want to take a moment to say thank you today. Thank you for being here. I know how important your time is, and I feel so completely honored to be in your ear. Right now, this podcast has brought me closer to so many amazing humans in this world. And I’m so grateful for the people who have been on the show, including today’s guest Hallie Mazurkiewicz. And there are more of us, little foot soldiers out there speaking our truth and creating change than I even realized. And together we can create massive change in this world, and in the conversation surrounding healing chronic illness. So again, thank you, thank you, thank you.

Now, I want to introduce you to today’s guest Hallie. She is an entrepreneur, author, teacher and transformational coach from New York City. And through her personal journey and unique childhood experiences Hallie developed a passion for women’s work and advocacy in holistic health, and the period space. More recently, she founded her company called, Lunar Wild, who I just ordered from right after this interview today. And their mission is to support and celebrate young women as they approach the onset of their first menstruation. So, today, you’ll hear Hallie and I talk about her experience with Lyme disease, the emotional side of healing, and so much more. Let’s do this.

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Sarah: Hi Hallie, welcome to the show.

Hallie: Hi, thank you for having me Sarah.

Sarah: I am so excited to have you, and, in preparing for this interview, you told me a little bit about how you had been diagnosed with Lyme disease. And that you also had this pretty interesting vision quest in the desert. So I am just on the edge of my seat waiting to hear about this. Can you tell us a little bit about diagnosis and this vision quest, how those actually go together? I know a lot of our listeners also struggle with Lyme, so I know they’re going to love this episode.

Hallie: Great. Yeah, absolutely. So I was diagnosed with Lyme in December of 2016. I hadn’t been feeling the greatest and I, it was just an intuition. I never had a bite, a lot of people with, well, I’m sure I did have a bite or, but I never had the bullseye. But there’s just something in me that was, go get a blood test and ask them to put Lyme serology on there. Because it’s not actually something that’s part of a standard blood test. So, something in me said, get this checked out. And sure enough, two weeks later the results came back and it was positive. And hearing news like that, especially surrounding something like Lyme, where it’s still pretty elusive and mysterious, and doctors don’t have a lot to offer you right away. It’s pretty scary. And I didn’t know what that all meant. I had to learn what it was. And, at the same time, this was compounded because I was in a transition to a new job and my energy levels were just so low. Yet, I was trying to will myself to just keep up with the pace. And so, that is the beginning of my diagnosis story.

I personally went on one round of doxycycline. But, I come from a very holistic background and I pretty much for my whole life, never went on antibiotics unless it was an emergency. I’ve always been trying to take the holistic route. So, I even struggled with that decision, should I take this prescription or not? And what are the risks if I do, or if I don’t? And also, supplementing what I was doing with a lot of holistic healing as well. But, as far as vision quest, I don’t know if you want to dive right into that.

Sarah: I want to know about how you intuitively asked for them to test for Lymes? So, were you having symptoms, or was your intuition just really strong and saying, I just had this little inkling?

Hallie: Yeah. I was, in the work that I was doing, I was nannying. And, there were some people in that circle who also, I guess I was just hearing a lot about Lyme recently. You know how sometimes, the universe just gives us whisperings about things that just come back. And so, I was hearing a lot about Lyme and I was hearing people share their symptoms, or challenges of what that was. And where I am in New York, not necessarily the city, but, upstate where I’m from, there are a lot of ticks. And I just thought, maybe this is something that has been dormant in me that is now just awakening because I was experiencing such extreme fatigue. As I mentioned, I was waking up with these insane headaches every day, I was watching my muscle tone waste away, and my body just gets super inflamed. It would be like having an intense allergy every day. And I would wake up, and underneath my chin was just swollen. So, I thought, yes let’s check this out.

Sarah: Yeah. One of my very best friends is also diagnosed with Lyme disease, and it has been very elusive for her. It’s just, this thing is almost like she’s hunting it down. Trying to figure out all the different ways that it has affected her physical body, but also, we’ll speak a little bit more about also, the emotional, energetic side of your well-being. So, what have you found to be some of the most helpful things as far as the supplements, or the physical side of healing for your Lyme?

Hallie: Well, a lot of it has been honoring the emotional process. But, physically speaking different things that I’ve tried, that I’ve found really effective. I’ve tried essentially everything. I immediately switched my diet over to more of a paleo sort of diet. I cut out a lot of dairy though. Actually I went non-dairy. I went gluten-free. I cut out alcohol and caffeine. I started drinking a lot more water and these were just things that I slowly identified that would make my body, have what I call, ‘flare-ups’. After I would eat dairy, I would feel much more swollen, much more tired. I felt I was feeding something inside of me when I would have these things. So, I just cut them out not to necessarily get better, but just to stop the flare-ups from getting worse. So, I started with diet, and then, I started going in the infrared sauna. And I found this to be one of the most, that was when my healing really took a giant step forward. Is because I was blessed to have access to an infrared sauna. I went in almost every day for probably eight weeks.

And I would sweat intensely for 45 minutes to an hour. I never wanted to go in, I was always tired. I didn’t feel like it. And I would come out Sarah, and I just would feel energized, which is counter-intuitive, because usually when you go into the heat, you feel sleepy. But with the sauna, I would just suddenly feel this rush of mental clarity. I’d feel like my old self. Again, my circulation would be moving. And so, that was super healing. I also tried some homeopathic remedies. And I also started taking this mushroom immune blend capsules, the host defense. I don’t know if you know, Paul Stamet’s work with mushrooms? So, those have been really helpful for me too, just in maintaining my health.

Sarah: Yeah, that’s awesome. So it sounds like you were raised in a pretty holistic, or at least, you chose to choose more holistic medicine. So, was the side of healing always emphasized, or what eventually led you down that road?

Depression and chronic illness

Hallie: I think that we are presented with the challenges and the lessons that we need to learn in life. And the more people I talk to with chronic illness, I hear this story over and over again from people saying, wow, this has taught me to slow down. Or this has taught me to honor my body, to honor my feelings, to not exert my will over everything. A lot of people who tend to be control freaks will come down with a chronic illness. So yes, I think these things find us out of necessity, and you almost don’t have a choice. You have to do the personal work because you can’t get up some days, and that’s uncomfortable, and you have to be with that.

Sarah: That message is literally a billboard. When you wake up in the morning, on your ceiling is listen to me, here I am. And the body is so innately wise, there’s so much wisdom within us. Our body’s constantly sending us these messages, but when we’re the control freak, or the perfectionist, or the people pleaser, we ignore the messages. And we are so much in our routine and our habit, and then, all of a sudden, it’s all piled up and we feel like shit. Because we haven’t been listening to those little messages. And then, there it is, this big freaking billboard. That’s hey girl, you have to stop. You have to stop. You have to listen to me. We are not giving you a choice. And then, through that healing, we start to uncover and uproot some of those things we needed to listen to, or, to hear from the beginning. I know I experienced that. So let’s talk about this vision quest. What led you to go to that? Was that part of the emotional healing for you?

Hallie: Certainly it was. And again, this was in the midst of the job transition and figuring out that I had to redesign my life. I no longer had the energy to be working these 60 or 70 hour weeks taking care of other people’s children. And, I have been working either in education or in childcare for so long, I didn’t even know what to do with myself. And, around that same time, this was probably only three months after my diagnosis. So, I’m on the doxycycline and I’m dealing with what’s going on in my body. I’m trying to keep up with this heavy schedule. And then, my father had an incident on the snowboarding hill, where he collided with someone else, and he ruptured a cyst in his brain and had to be rushed in to brain surgery.

And at that point, I hit pause on everything that was going on in my life, including the job that I was working. And I went home to be with him. And thank goodness, everything pans out with him, and he’s fully recovered. But what that situation gave me was an opportunity to really reflect back on myself and realize, wow, I’m not okay. And it’s funny, we do that. We sometimes need permission to look after ourselves. When it’s someone else, it seems totally fine. But it really wasn’t until I stopped on behalf of someone else, that I could see that I needed to heal. So, I was in this limbo. My dad has now fully recovered. I didn’t have the energy to go back to what I was doing. And I didn’t know what to do. I was completely at a loss. I was at a crossroads and I was frustrated. I had anger over this disease. I wanted my body to be back the way that it was, people would just tell me to will myself out of it, and think positively. And I just want to punch them in the face.

Sarah: Not helping.

Her vision quest in the desert

Hallie: Yes. Yes. It’s so hard to explain to someone who’s not experiencing it. And so, I was speaking with a dear friend and I said, listen, I need to do something. I need something drastic here, but I didn’t want to go on a yoga retreat. I didn’t want it to be easy. And this friend said to me, Oh, you need a vision quest. And I said, yes, wait, what, what’s a vision quest?

Sarah: What’s a vision quest?

Hallie: I don’t even know what that is, but it sounds, it just struck a chord. It was like a tuning fork vibrating within me where I was just, yes, this, whatever she just said, resounding yes from my heart. So I looked into it and three weeks later, I ended up in the desert in California, with this giant pack of camping gear. I had never done anything like this before. It was a 10-day program. There were five women. We spent three days just showing up and arriving, and meeting with the group, talking about why we had come, what our intentions were. Going over basic safety, being in the wilderness because we were in the high desert mountains, the Inyo Mountains in California. And then, we prepared for our three-day solo, which we would go off totally by ourselves with no tent. We’d have a tarp and a rope, and we would be fasting, water fasting for three days.

Hallie: And that seemed really daunting. I’d never really fasted before. I also didn’t know how my body would respond to this, being that I had been so sensitive and controlling with my diet, and my energy was already not great. I wondered, could I even do this? Could I even, and what happened if something went wrong and I didn’t feel good and I was lying in the desert alone with no one. The closest person was probably a mile away from me in their own solo camp. And so, that was the introduction to going on the vision quest. That takes so much courage and bravery, I think. Even the fears that you were just mentioning, are fears I would absolutely have too. I have a serious, specific way I eat and the amount of rest I get every night in the comfort of my bed. It’s just also, out of the comfort zone. So much bravery to do that. So during those three days, did you have ‘aha’ moments? What came up for you?

Yes. What I was finding was, at first, a lot of deep discomforts, because you think about how we go throughout our day, grasping at the next thing, or pushing away uncomfortable things. And it’s this push-pull, rushing, rushing, well, I’m too busy for this and that. What time is it? Okay, I’m running late. Gotta prepare this food, gotta buy stuff to prepare food, gotta think about what to make for dinner. So suddenly, you’re in the desert, you’re not eating, and no one’s around. You have no work to do. There’s this silence that’s there. That is so palpable, and so weighted at first. And it took me almost an entire day, to stop trying to figure out what time it was.

I would look at the sun, and I did a thing where you measure with your fists to see. One fist is one hour and I was trying to calculate what time is it? And then, I was just, Hallie it doesn’t matter. You’re on spirit time right now. And you just need to be here. You have nowhere to be. Well, what time do I go to bed? And I was, well when I get tired, even if the sun’s still up, doesn’t matter. And I’m just going to try and reconnect with the rhythms of the earth. And I’ll probably wake up with the sun, and go to bed with the sun. And just be. So that was unique. And certainly a lot of the shadow work. The stuff started to come up, maybe emotions I had suppressed, I would be sitting there and suddenly a person would pop into my mind that I had not thought of in years. And I would realize, Oh, you have some work to do surrounding this relationship or this person, Oh, you have a lot of anger. So I started to create little rituals for myself on the mountain. I had all these stones, and I was naming different stones. According to things, maybe, I had been challenged with before, like vanity, or ego, or things I wanted to let go of, and I would smash them off to the side of the mountain. And there were days I just sat up there and sobbed. Part of it is just, you’re exhausted. You’re hungry. You’re, why did I do this? What did I get myself into? And the emotion just comes up. It’s like opening Pandora’s box.

Sarah: Yeah. I love that. It provided, it sounds like, just this outlet for you to express yourself, and to not even have any expectations of what would you needed to accomplish in those days by yourself. But simply to just feel and to be present with yourself, which can be so terrifying for so many of us. Because we pack our schedule and I’m guilty of this by itself. I wake up in the morning and I have every hour of my day planned. And like you said, even if it was just, going to the grocery store, getting food, having meals ready. But also, for me, it’s having my clients and just having our day’s so jam-packed. But then, you go out there and there’s this stillness and the silence that just, you don’t know what’s going to come up. And I think that does terrify so many people. But, it also is an opportunity for that outlet. For us to be, Oh, I’m holding all of this anger towards my mom or my brother. And letting yourself actually feel that, instead of just, autopilot, go, go, go, like total zombie mode. So, I’m interested in a couple of things. First, when you guys came back to hashtag we’re alive, was there almost a little bit of that culture shock? What was it? How did you then, take what you experienced in all that outlet, of letting go and feeling, and being raw by yourself in the wilderness, to then, bringing it back home?

Hallie: That’s a great question. What being on the mountain taught me was to just be comfortable. Being uncomfortable and touching in with my pain, and letting it be there for me and not shaming myself for feeling it. Not trying to push it away and realizing that I was not the only one feeling this much pain. That everyone struggles in life. We all have pain, deep, emotional pain. I’ve yet to meet one person who hasn’t suffered in some way. We are all suffering. So, to acknowledge that, and to try and infuse my life with reminders of that, it changed everything. It changed the way that I created relationships. That I greeted people on the street, because I was able to see others as more real, and as true 3D beings who were going through the same sort of suffering that I was. So, in a way, it made me form this more bonded connection, I think to all that is and all of humanity.

Sarah: Yeah. So you had your Lyme diagnosis before this vision quest? And so, did you feel like it changed your relationship to illness at all?

Hallie: Absolutely. And I spent a lot of time intentionally on the mountain asking spirit, asking the universe, teach me, teach me about this Lyme. Why did this come into my life and what are the lessons that I need to learn? And again, some of the things we already talked about is, control. Because I definitely have, I have, and I’ve always had this perfectionist streak in me where I just want everything to be perfect. And life said, no, it’s not going to be, it’s going to be ugly and messy, and beautiful in all of that. So yes, that was definitely something that shifted.

Sarah: I feel everyone needs those at least three days of silence a yea. Just to be able, regardless of whether you have chronic illness or not, just to be with your… Even hearing your voice and your energy as you speak, about that experience, I’m like, I want that. I want to go and be quiet and just be with myself. Honestly, it also scares the shit out of me, but I think that we could all gain something beautiful from that silence. And just giving ourselves three days a year. So yes, I’d love to also talk about how, I think you agree with me here, that chronic illness can be a little bit of that catalyst for spiritual awakening. And starting to come home to yourself, and our innate intuitive beings, who we were born to be. Can you talk a little bit about chronic illness as a catalyst for spiritual awakening?

Hallie: Yes, absolutely. I think, it goes back to what we were saying before where it’s that moment. It’s like you’re being slapped in the face with something unexpected. Unexpected, because before that, you’re chugging along in life, checking off boxes on to-do lists, hitting milestones and markers. And then, when you are hit with this, it’s like a spiritual car crash and you crack wide open, and it shatters everything you thought you had going. And then, you have to slowly learn to rebuild. And it takes way, way longer than you want it to. It always will. And, again, it’s being comfortable with the discomfort, and inviting it in. Really inviting it in, and say this too, this has a place here in my learning, and in my life journey,

Sarah: I see so many women in this field, the community of autoimmune disease. And there are so many beautiful things about it. And we’ve come together, and women are more impacted, as a percentage than men with autoimmune disease. And so, there’s a lot of sisterhood in this community. But, I also see so many women who only see whatever their diagnosis is as this physical thing. Whatever that imbalance is in their body, or the body attacking itself. And I think that what we’re discussing now, is so often left out of the conversation. That there’s also this invitation to crack yourself open, and to get really fucking real, and just sit with what is, what are the deeper layers of myself, where am I holding on to anger? And how is this coming up in an emotional, energetic way, as well as imbalance in your thyroid, for example?

Sarah: So you also brought up that depression and chronic illness tend to be best friends. And I’d love for you to just explain to the listeners what you mean by this. And I know, a lot of the women in my community have talked about mental health, depression, specifically anxiety, et cetera. But I know that they don’t want, and I don’t want to think that, Oh, you have chronic illness, you also have to have mental health issues. That’s also not true. So, when you say that depression and chronic illness do tend to be friends, what do you mean?

Hallie: I mean that in my experience, chronic illness opens up the possibility for this sense of a loss of control. And when you feel like nothing is going your way, and you’re a victim, and you just have to sit there and take what life has dealt you. You’ve been dealt this unfair hand of this illness that, apparently, has no cure and is all very mysterious. That is a huge shot to your ego and to your confidence. Suddenly, people are inviting you out to things that you just don’t have the energy to go. So, you end up staying home more, your body, isn’t looking as good, it feels yucky and swollen, and flabby, and just not beautiful. And so, it’s the slow descent. For me, at least, I didn’t even know I was depressed until I was already, there. It’s like the slow slide into it. And then, Whoa, it had become a problem. And but again, I bless that dark time. This was after vision quest, actually. Those dark, dark times I became completely vulnerable because I had to be. Because there was nothing left in me and all those people that I was angry with if I had little things with my parents, or with friends, or if I was flawed in any way, I had no problem all of a sudden, just calling myself out and say, listen, I am not in a good way right now. I really need help. And before my ego was too big, I was, no, I’ve got this, I’ve got this under control. I can do this. I can handle this. And suddenly, I just said, no, I’m not okay. And in doing that, there was this huge, beautiful release. And I allowed the universe to like a river, carry this stream of supportive people and build this community around me. Because I allowed myself to be held. I stopped pushing people away. And that’s ultimately the only thing that pulled me out of it.

Sarah: I was just gonna ask you, because like I said, I’ve heard so many women be vulnerable and saying that they struggle with depression. And if you’ve heard my story, I lost a brother to suicide, who he struggled with depression and it’s rampant. Even, we just saw in the news, in the media, the loss of two people who we thought have everything. Kate Spade and Anthony Bordain. And I think that is always just a little bit of this reality check for the whole world. So I was going to ask you, for the people who are struggling, what can they do? And it sounds like part of your solution was just allowing yourself to be held. And telling the ego to shut up too.

Hallie: Yeah, or just wait until the ego quiets itself because there’s nothing else to do. It’s that idea of rock bottom. And I feel I definitely had it at one point. And I remember days where I just wanted someone to ask me if I was okay so that I could tell them, no, I’m not. But we try to hide this because it’s not socially appropriate. Or maybe it comes across as melodramatic. Because one minute you might feel fine. That’s how depression can often work. You have a great day, and then you have a bad day, and you have another great day. So there are these swings with it. And I was embarrassed. I didn’t want to keep calling my parents and saying how sad I felt again, and again, and again, I just wanted to be independent. And I was frustrated with myself that I didn’t feel I could, at that point. So, one thing I started doing was, when I really wanted someone to ask me if I was okay, I would intentionally take out my phone, or go out into the street, or meet friends, and ask them if they were okay. I would say, Hey, how can I support you in your life? What can I do to make your life better right now? And people were really taken aback by that. I don’t think we’re used to people still pointedly asking us what we need. But in some strange way, me flipping that need, and reflecting it back on people I cared about, helped me feel just a little bit lighter. I could get through the day because I had a purpose. And oftentimes, when I would ask people what they needed, they might reciprocate and ask me what I needed. And it was just enough to get me through.

Sarah: I love that we’re having this conversation right now because I think it’s one that there’s not a lot of transparency around. And that, people, are ashamed of, they feel that inner shame or I shouldn’t feel this way. I didn’t have trauma or, why am I, why do I feel this way? And, I can just see, people will be listening to this, a lot of them shaking their head and really resonating with what you have to say. And appreciating your transparency and your vulnerability here to say, I was not okay. And, I had to let go of the ego and then go outside too and find friends and family to say, ask them, what can I do to support you? Are you okay? What do you need from me? I think that’s a beautiful first step. Obviously, it’s a very complicated issue and a conversation we could go into for hours. But I love ,that piece of advice and I hope that the listeners take that home with them today. I also loved to ask you a little bit about this shift and this turn that you took in your life.

So, I think you said you were a nanny, and you were an education, and then you let all that go. And I’m an entrepreneur, and I know that there’s also women listening, who either are dreaming of doing that, or maybe they’re in the starting stages of that and going, Oh my God, what did I just do? So can you tell us a little bit about that part of your story?

The creation of Lunar Wild

Hallie: Absolutely. So after the vision quest, I got back to New York. I spread out my journals, that I’ve been keeping journals since I was eight years old. And I just dove in and started reading about myself, back from my childhood. And I wanted to get to know my inner child who was, Hallie and what did she have to offer to the world? What was going to be my next step?

And I ended up coming across this journal entry from when I was about 14, 15, and I first started my period. And I came across this beautiful little writing in my 14-year-old handwriting. Talking about how my mom was so excited that I was starting my period. She told me she had been waiting for this moment, her whole life because I was her only biological daughter. And she told me all these amazing stories about womanhood, what it meant. She talked about Native American cultures, Aboriginal cultures, the moon lodge, the red tent, sort of this idea of women and community. When you’re menstruating, it is this time to tap into this wild beauty or this goddess self that is within all of us. And we can access our gifts. It’s the time when we’re most aligned with spirit.

So here I was, 14, 15, so excited to start my period. And I think that that is a very atypical experience for most girls and boys, when it comes to puberty. But you think back at puberty, it’s an awkward time. We feel a lot of shame and embarrassment. I know from personal experience that the sex education programs in schools tend to be a little bit clinical and anatomical. And they don’t have this beautiful, miracle narrative aspect to them, or the sense of cultural responsibility of what it means to become a man or a woman, as some other cultures do. So, I read this journal entry and I thought, Oh, I wonder if there’s something out there, something to celebrate young women as they transition into womanhood? I wonder if there’s a gift box for the first periods out there? And so, that’s what I created. I started a girls empowerment company called, Lunar Wild, and we make these period gift boxes.

It’s essentially like a treasure chest of everything that a girl might need when she starts her period. They’re all organic pads, and tampons in there. There’s reusables. So, a menstrual cup, a cloth pad, really wanted girls to be able to try whatever. Because all our bodies are all different. And I think it’s important to present people with choices. And then, of course, there’s salt and a candle, and chocolate, and other things to honor your moon time. That’s what I started.

Sarah: I am just hearing about your experience with your mother. I find that to be so beautiful. And to just to tap into that energy, that’s celebrating menstruation. I think definitely, you’re the minority in that, like you mentioned. I don’t think that’s everyone’s experience and, it wasn’t my experience. So my experience was more here’s a tampon, go try it out. And I remember putting in my first tampon and walking out of the bathroom and be like, mom, I did it. It was, what’s it like? And I’m, it hurts and she’s, you didn’t put it in all the way. And then, I went back into the bathroom and I tried again. But that was it. She was very supportive as far as having the products I needed. When I did start menstruating around 14. But it wasn’t until I was in my twenties that I knew anything. Anything girl, about how our cycles can sync to the moon. Being a red moon, or a white moon, or just the red tent ceremonies, and just how sacred your cycle can be. And I spent my entire puberty, teenage years on the birth control pill.

Well, really every form of birth control, not just the pill. And, hating my period and doing anything and everything I could, to not have a period. Like being on the hormonal IUD at one point. Being on the shot at one point, where I just didn’t have a period. I thought it was the best freaking thing in the world. And I was, this is awesome. And now I’m, Oh my god. Now, I cherish that time of the month. I know my body better. I’m in sync. My womb is open, and it’s open for creative energy, and receiving energy. And so, my experience, I wouldn’t necessarily go back and change it all, but there’s so much that I know now, that I did not know that. So I love that you’ve created this. And I’d love to hear a little bit about you, and your personal experience with your own cycle. How do you tap into that? And, obviously, this is something that has been a little bit of a defining for you. The way that your mom did have this conversation with you. To find how you saw, or even had the relationship with your body and yourself, the rest of your life. Talk a little bit about that.

Hallie: Yeah. Where to start with that? Well, it’s astonishing to me, and I love what you were saying about all the knowledge that you’ve come into. I was just nodding the entire time, with everything that you were saying, because it’s very similar to me. And I did, even though I had such a beautiful entry into womanhood. I did a lot of this discovery, only again, in my later twenties. So, I really feel, why are we not presenting this information younger? Just think of what that could do to raise the vibration of an entire generation of women who can fearlessly just walk in and announce themselves, and take up space in the world with pride. And loving when you start off, loving their bodies instead of having to remediate it later in life. So just like you, I dabbled with all sorts of different kinds of birth control. And personally, I had a terrible experience. I was sensitive hormonally to what was going on, and tried many different types. And the last type that I tried was the Depo shot. So, just like you, I wasn’t getting periods and funny enough, or not funny enough, I went about an entire year without getting my cycle after getting off that, and I never felt less like a woman in my life. I was so out of touch. I didn’t feel creative. I physically wasn’t flowing.

So it didn’t feel like my chi, my energy was flowing either. I just felt very detached from the cycles of nature. So it took just about as much remediation as it took to figure out the Lyme stuff. I’m still in the process of balancing my cycle and learning about seed cycling, or how to treat my body during menstruation, instead of just trying to stick a tampon in and rush about my day like normal. It’s no, this is really a time to darken the room, being in cozy clothes, take a bath, rest, eat nourishing hearty foods, even if I feel fat and bloated, ignore that, give my body what it needs. So it’s still a process and I’m learning every day.

Sarah: Yeah, me too. I had the copper IUD because I discovered that I did not want to be on synthetic hormones, probably about five years ago. But then, I chose a copper IUD, thinking and I told this story on the podcast before, but just wanting to have a non-hormonal option, which then turned out to not be the best option for me. And now, I’m detoxing from heavy metals, like copper, and really starting to tap into what is my natural rhythm, what is my natural cycle? And I’m not quite synced up to the moon yet, but I was before, so I know it’ll start to come back. And it’s ever-shifting for me. But it’s so much fun. It can be fun. And I love that you said it’s like a treasure chest that these young girls will receive from you. to be able to celebrate and just understand. Even some of the story I don’t know if you include any of the story or history around just women, sisterhood. But maybe that, even if it’s not in there, it then provides an opportunity for mothers or fathers to have that conversation with their children. So I love that so much.

Hallie: Thank you.

Sarah: Yeah. So we’re at the top of our time, Hallie. Would you love to share anything else with our listeners? Is there anything that you want them to take home with them today?

Confronting yourself, in the silence

Hallie: I guess for those experiencing chronic illness or any sort of depression, anxiety, I would encourage you to just hang in there. Ask what’s going on, why it’s there and what it has to teach you? Try not to get frustrated with how long the process is taking, and in the moments that you feel you can’t love yourself, go out and love others.

Sarah: Thank you. Thank you so much. I love your energy. I feel I could be around you all day.

Hallie: Thanks Sarah.

Sarah: Yeah, no, I’m serious. So, where can people find you on all of the inter-webs and social media?

Hallie: Yay. Yeah. So you can find me on Instagram @lunarwild, or you can find the first-period gift box and also other things. We sell moon calendars for tracking your cycle, you can find those on our website.

Sarah: That today. And I’m definitely getting the moon calendars.

Hallie: Great. So all those are on lunarwild.com, and then we’re also on Facebook/LunarWild.

Sarah: Awesome. So yes, everyone definitely go check out Hallie and Lunar Wild, on social media. As I said, I’m definitely buying these moon cycle calendar. You fill in the–

Hallie: Yes. There’s little bubbles and you can track your blood moons and–

Sarah: I so freaking love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. Thank you again so much, for being on today.

Hallie: Thanks, Sarah.

Sarah: Thank you for taking the time to listen to today’s episode with Hallie from Lunar Wild. You can find out more about Hallie in the show notes. Make sure to follow her on social media. If you are someone who has a powerful story to share with the world, and you want to inspire others to heal. I have unique opportunity for you today, right after we finished recording this podcast, I actually logged into my podcast account and realized that we hit 10,000 downloads for this podcast. I had a little bit of a dance at home in my office. And then, I went and I posted a quote on Instagram. And it said, “you don’t need to be perfect to inspire others. Let people get inspired by how you deal with your imperfection.” I was called to share this quote because none of this would exist. Auto-Immune tribe would not exist, if all those silly little things that I thought were way bigger than they were, had held me back.

And I share this with you today because I hope you realize that you don’t have to be perfect to start. Just start, go, do, create saying right post share, but start now. You have so much value to offer this world. And if you want help finding clarity and discovering what that value you have to offer really is. I invite you to book a one-hour coaching consultation with me to learn more about my business coaching intensive. This is for the woman who wants to share her story, to leave the full-time job that’s draining her. And start seeing her community grow exponentially. So I am here for you. Click the link in the show notes to book your one-hour coaching consultation and I’ll see you in the next episode.

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