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Trina Felber is the Creator and CEO of Primal Life Organics, a premier, all-natural dental care company that focuses on oral health as the gateway to internal health. She believes that the antiseptic products we use in our mouths are doing more harm than good! After more than 25 years as a registered nurse, Trina has transitioned into a Natural Oral Wellness expert. She created natural products to bio-hack your dental health for stronger, cleaner, whiter teeth and improved overall health. Good health begins inside the mouth with a healthy oral biome and Trina will help re-establish your healthy smile, real-white smile! Her entrepreneurial skills and business-savvy mindset are an inspiration to women everywhere.

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Welcome. Welcome. Welcome. On today’s episode, I have Trina Felber. She is the creator and CEO of Primal Life Organics, which is a premier all-natural dental care company that focuses on oral health as a gateway to internal health. We’re going to really dive into that today, and Trina believes the antiseptic products that we use in our mouths are doing more harm than good. After more than 25 years as a registered nurse, Trina has transitioned into a natural oral wellness expert and she has a wealth of knowledge. She created natural products to bio-hack your dental health for stronger, cleaner, whiter teeth and improved overall health because good health begins inside our mouths with a healthy oral biome so we don’t just – we’ll talk about this on the episode today – there’s not just a microbiome in your gut or on your skin, but also one in your mouth.

She is going to teach us so much today. I learned so much on this episode and if you maybe watched the documentary Root Cause before it got pulled off Netflix, or have been curious how your oral health affects your overall health, this is the episode for you. I know in my experience of diving into holistic dentistry lately. Trina just filled in so many more gaps than I had even heard from my holistic dentist, so let’s dive in so you guys can learn so much about your mouth today.

Welcome to the show, Trina. I’m so excited to have you on.

Trina: Thank you, Sarah. I’m really excited to be here. I love mouthing off with you.

Sarah: Yes. I love that you have that as a tagline in some of your YouTube videos is mouthing off. So as I was reading and learning more about you and your story, it sounds like a lot of your emphasis is now on oral health, hence the mouthing off. And I’d love to just hear what sparked your journey into passion around oral health.

Trina: Yeah, well, you know, it always comes back to your kids, right? Everything you do is for your kids and you can ignore things for yourself, but when it happens to your kids, you’re like, no. This it’s a story about my kids because my daughter at the age of 2 had a tooth erupt that had a natural cavity in it and I took her to the dentist. My husband and I took her to the dentist and we were fascinated by the fact that it was a natural cavity from a tooth that was being developed. I didn’t know that that could happen in utero. And he said it usually happens when the mother has a virus or a fever or something like that, so when that tooth is being developed at that exact moment, mom had something happen. But he looked at the tooth. He said, yes, that’s a natural cavity. It’s a pretty good cavity. We’ll just put a temporary filling in it. Most likely the tooth won’t last for more than a year, we’ll have to pull it, but we’ll just hope for the best. And I went home thinking, I’m not going to hope for the best. I’m going to see if there’s something I can do. I’d already been making natural products and I hadn’t dabbled with dental yet so I really wanted to look at how to heal the mouth or the teeth.

As a registered nurse, my whole goal is always to do it naturally, how to heal the body naturally, because I think if you do it naturally, then the body can do what it’s supposed to cause the body always wants to go back to being normal. So I started doing some research. I came across Dr. Weston Price. He’s done a lot of work about health-related oral health related to systemic health and why in the Third World countries do they have great oral health and they don’t suffer from the diseases that we do. They don’t typically have heart disease, diabetes. They’re not obese. They don’t have cancer, things like that. As soon as they come to the US and they’re exposed to our diet, their dental health declines, and then of course their internal health declines. But what he found was fascinating was that the soil that they were eating from was very mineral rich, and that’s how their teeth were staying healthy and their mouth was staying healthy. So I sort of transferred that into what can I use for my daughter and for us to clean our teeth with that will actually do what it’s supposed to do when you’re brushing your teeth? Not just clean them, but make the environment conducive to your good bacteria and not the bad bacteria and remineralize your teeth so that they stay strong and you don’t get cavities and what I found was clay so that’s what I did. My daughter is now 10. I formulated my Dirty Mouth Tooth Powder when she was 2. She’s now almost 11, literally just lost that tooth. It had the same original temporary filling in it and that tooth just came out this past weekend.

Sarah: Wow! That is so amazing and such a fun journey it sounds like you’ve been on. I personally have had a lot of oral work done in my own mouth. I was that little girl with the bad buck teeth and so obviously the braces, but then I had jaw surgery when I was 16 and I had the lower mandible sawed in half, pulled forward, screwed shut. I’ve got 3 titanium screws on both sides and crazy enough, even with all the autoimmune and chronic illness issues that I’ve dealt with personally, never really put a spotlight or emphasis on the oral health and how that could be affecting illness and skin health and so many other things in my body. Could you talk a little bit about that connection between your mouth and everything else that’s going on?

The connection between your mouth and your overall health

Trina: Your mouth is your … it’s your gateway to your internal health and your gatekeeper is really your gum tissue. Inflammation starts inside your mouth and for a lot of different pathogens, it gets into your body through your gum tissue or when you swallow it into your digestive system. And what I really like people to understand is that I try and reverse the thinking of what our digestive system really is. I like people to kind get the feeling or the idea in their head that from tongue to tail, that whole tube is still outside your body. Anything in that tube – down your esophagus, through your stomach, down through your small and large intestine – that whole tube is still outside your body and everything is trying to pass through the gatekeeper, your tissue into your body. And the gatekeeper really is your microbiome as well as your tissue. Your microbiome keeps your tissue healthy, or if you’ve got the wrong microbiome, it’s unhealthy and you end up allowing things – you get the leaky gut and leaky gum syndrome is what I call it – the wrong stuff leaking into your body and then you get the inflammation and the disease inside.

Oral health has been directly related to internal inflammation and the diseases that are directly related to oral care or the condition inside your mouth has been shown to be heart disease. The plaque that’s on your teeth is the exact same plaque that they find in the coronary arteries.

Sarah: Wow.

Trina: Yeah, heart disease, high blood pressure, all digestive disorders can lead back to your mouth as well as diabetes, cancer and even Alzheimer’s has just been linked to your mouth because the same bacteria that has been found inside the mouth that causes gum disease and cavities, it has been found in the brains of patients that have had Alzheimer’s so there’s a direct correlation there. You have to think about your mouth as the beginning of not just your digestion, but your immune system. And what I like to do is I like to take people all the way back to when they were in their mom’s tummy, they were still in the womb. They were being developed, and it was really, really warm and really dark and really cozy in there, but the other thing in there is it was completely sterile. There were no bacteria inside your mother and when you were born through the birth canal, the normal birth canal, you were exposed for the first time to the bacteria in the birth canal, and that bacteria is in there for a reason.

And as baby is born, baby gets the bacteria in nose and mouth and starts to swallow it, and as they swallow the bacteria, that bacteria in their mouth is the spark of their immune system. That is how they develop their immune system. That’s why babies born normally vaginally have a stronger immune system initially than babies that are born by C-section. It’s because they’re exposed to that bacteria. As we get older, that doesn’t change. The immune system starts inside your mouth. The place to kill and get rid of E. coli, H. pylori and all sorts of diseases or inflammation or bacteria is inside your mouth cause once you swallow that, the environment inside your stomach and your intestines can’t kill it as conducively as inside your mouth.

Sarah: That makes so much sense. I am personally a C-section baby and have always hypothesized that I didn’t get the same bacteria as I would have if I had been birthed through the vaginal canal, and I always joke with people in this industry because we get really real and really raw. I’m like, I wish they would have just wiped some of them on my face, you know?

Trina: They say that. They say that babies that are born by C-section, mom can actually do a little swab and put some – and it might sound gross, but it’s really how baby develops their immune system – and swab it inside their mouth so that they can spark the immune system the normal way and baby to have a better chance of not developing some issues that they might have.

Sarah: It might seem strange, but it’s the same thing that’s naturally happening with a vaginal birth, that you’re just kind of simulating it outside of that. I’ve always thought about that in my own health, and then recently I went to go see a holistic dentist and it was so fascinating. I learned so much about my teeth and oral health and how it’s related. I have an infection on tooth 18 and tooth 18 is your back left top molar. For me, I don’t have my wisdom teeth. I also had those removed so it’s my very back molar. I looked up one of those charts. I think it’s their TCM – traditional Chinese medicine – where they connect each tooth, each number tooth to a different organ or system of the body.

Trina: That’s the tooth meridians. Yeah.

Sarah: Tooth meridians, and so I’m just learning about all of this and it’s related to the colon for tooth 18. I’m just so fascinated because I’ve been doing so much digestive work and healing over the past couple of years with C. diff, H. pylori, parasites, all of these things and noticing that as I heal my belly and some of the gut stuff that it’s getting a little bit better, but my question to you is did that start in the gut or did it start in the mouth, or can it start both places or is it like the chicken and the egg?

Trina: I was going to say the chicken and the egg, what came first, but what’s the possibility that it’s the infection inside your tooth that’s actually causing the problems in your colon because there’s that connection? But it could be the opposite is true as well. It’s hard to say. But then comes the thought, what happens if you have to have that tooth pulled or a root canal done, because is that connection for that organ lost? That’s why at all costs, most holistic dentists don’t want to remove a tooth or do a root canal because that connection could be lost, and then you don’t know what happens. But yeah, that’s interesting, isn’t it? The tooth meridians is really a cool thing, and during development, you have to think there is some connection between when those teeth are being developed at the same time that organs are being developed. Oral health is totally fascinating. Your internal health is completely … I tell people, you can open up your mouth and I can look at what’s going on inside your mouth and I can’t tell you if you have heart disease, I might not be able to tell you if you have diabetes, but I can tell you whether there’s inflammation inside your body, just by the condition inside your mouth. And if I see the coating on the tongue, the bleeding gums or infected gums or receding gums or just inflamed gums, the teeth that aren’t so white that look like they’re more yellowish, then I can tell you that most likely you have some inflammation going on inside your body and how that ends up, you just don’t know what’s going to happen, where it’s going to end up.

Tongue scraping and tongue health

Sarah: I was going to ask you about tongue scraping and tongue health, because I work with my clients and occasionally will say stick out your tongue and let me see. I’m not an expert on this, but I’ve seen the scalloping of the tongue, the coating, yellow or white coating of the tongue. I don’t know if that’s your area of expertise either, but I would love to hear what some of those things mean, and then also what’s the benefit of tongue scraping.

Trina: I’m not the best expert at the actual tongue. I need to dive into more research into that, but the coating on the tongue is a bacterial coating. It’s almost like a biofilm. The number one biofilm in anybody’s body is typically plaque. That’s a true biofilm, and biofilm is just bacteria that creates this film over it so that it hardens and protects the bacteria so the bacteria can grow, harbor, and make more damage. But the same thing is true for the coating on the tongue. It’s like a bacterial growth and scraping it has a lot of great benefits because first of all, you’re getting rid of that bacteria and you’re opening up your tissue and your papillae which are your taste buds so that your food can taste better, but you actually have better breath and have better healing inside your mouth. You keep it cleaner because you don’t have that coating of bacteria on your tongue. I do have a tongue scraper. I tell people it takes like 10 seconds. It doesn’t take long to do it and it feels so good once you get used to it. The first time you’re like, oh my gosh!

Sarah: I was just going to say why have I not started tongue scraping yet? It seems so easy. I’d love your advice on the best … what are some of the ingredients that are in your different tooth powders and toothpaste and why are they there? I personally use one with some essential oils and some charcoal, but I would love to hear what is the best to remineralize and protect the teeth?

Trina: The reason that you brush your teeth isn’t to clean them, because I feel a toothbrush and water will clean your teeth. The reasons that you want to brush your teeth are twofold. You want to make sure you create an alkaline environment. Most of the foods that we eat today are acidic by nature and the acid combines with the sugars in your diet and creates the breakdown of your enamel. The acids actually create a breakdown and a mineral loss from your enamel. That’s what a cavity is. That’s what sensitive teeth are. If you have sensitivities to your teeth, that is just a sign that you’re on your way to a cavity. You’re losing more minerals than you’re replacing, so brushing to alkalize your mouth so that you can actually put … because if the opposite of acid is alkaline and minerals come out during acidic conditions, they go back in during alkaline conditions. You want to make sure that your mouth has mostly alkaline conditions a lot of the time. Your saliva by the way is alkaline. One of the things that your saliva is supposed to do is first of all, washes away the food, but it neutralizes the acid because most of the foods are acidic so it neutralizes the acids. Your saliva also has minerals in it. That’s your body’s natural way of mineralizing your teeth and keeping them strong. The problem is that so many people are mineral depleted and have digestive issues where they’re not actually absorbing the minerals from their food, so their saliva has a lower content of minerals so their teeth can’t remineralize very easily.

The other thing your saliva does is as it washes away and it puts the minerals in, it also collects anything that’s inside your mouth and feeds and seeds your gut tissue which is exactly why you want to make sure you have a good microbiome and not a bad microbiome because otherwise, you’re just feeding your gut the bad stuff and not the good stuff. But some of the ingredients, the ingredients that are key to putting the minerals back in and alkalizing your mouth is when I discovered clay, clay is probably for me the ideal ingredient to brush your teeth with. Not just one clay though, but I like a blend of clay. I blended three different clays with some baking soda because the baking soda helps keep it more alkaline, but the clays have minerals in them. They have all the different minerals that your teeth need. Your teeth are the same as bone. They have the same types of minerals, and if you believe that you can heal a bone, you should believe that you can heal a tooth or heal a cavity, because the only difference is the condition, the environment that they’re in. Bone tissue is in neutral conditions. It’s under an environment that’s not acidic and not alkaline. It’s always pretty neutral around 7.4, but your mouth is mostly acidic. The blend of three clays that I use is bentonite clay, white kaolin clay, and then French green clay. They all have the minerals, but the French green clay is my favorite because it has the algae and the phytonutrients, and it creates a lot more healing modality for your gum tissue and it has some analgesic properties.

The thing that you want to watch out for, the problem with commercial toothpaste is that the ingredients that are in there don’t have any minerals in them. Fluoride is not the mineral to replace them. You weren’t born with fluoride in your teeth so it’s not the mineral to replace. Fluoride itself is toxic to the body and it actually can cause damage to the enamel. It actually kicks out your minerals and replaces your minerals, your good minerals with fluoride, and then the deeper that gets into your tooth if it gets into your dentin, you can start to see the discoloration and then it can seep into your bloodstreams through ingesting it, but also through the blood supply to your tooth once it gets in your dentin.

Sarah: I’m learning so much. This was so helpful. I’m definitely going to be ordering some of your toothpaste. I’m also curious, we talk about the microbiome of the gut is becoming very popular and just talked about, especially in paleo and holistic healing world, and then slowly, I’ve seen the microbiome of your skin kind of starting to come up and we talk about skin health. Does your mouth have a completely separate microbiome than the skin and the gut?

Mouth, skin and gut microbiomes

Trina: Yeah, and different from the birth canal too, but it starts there. But it starts there. So your mouth microbiome, this is why it’s so important. So, if you’re brushing with something that’s off the shelf and contains ingredients like SLS, triclosan and things like that that are really harsh for your mouth there, it’s basically an … some of them even say kills 99% of bacteria. The problem is it doesn’t just kill the good bacteria or the bad bacteria inside your mouth. It’s actually killing your good microbiome. So in essence, what you’re doing is you’re taking a potent antibiotic and brushing your teeth with it every single time you brush, and it doesn’t give you any kind of protection against the bad bacteria that you’re going to be exposed to all day long cause we’re exposed to bad stuff in the air all day long, and the place to fight it is inside your mouth. It takes one or two brushings to pretty much destroy all your microbiome. It takes about three days for you to start to rebuild your good bacteria, which basically is your immune system and your immune system inside your mouth is different than what’s in your gut. And this is why I tell people that have had digestive issues that have had some healing. They’ve done diet, they’ve done probiotics, they’ve done supplementation, things like that, but they haven’t quite healed their gut. I usually tell people it’s probably because you’ve destroyed the first 12 inches of your immune system and what you’re feeding your gut isn’t the healthy microbiome that’s supposed to seed and feed it so that you have a good digestive system.

So once you flip the switch on your oral care and you have a healthy microbiome inside your mouth, most people actually find the healing that they didn’t have happen in their gut. And really truth be told, I know everybody’s big on probiotics and I am only when I’m sick, but if you have a good microbiome inside your mouth, you have to realize that every single time you swallow and it doesn’t matter what you swallow – water, if you swallow your saliva, if you’re swallowing food – every single time you swallow, you’re swallowing everything inside your mouth. Whether that’s good bacteria or bad bacteria that is getting down into your digestive system, and that’s going to cause either good benefits or bad benefits, unhealthy benefits to your body. So you want to make sure that what you have inside your mouth is healthy microbiome, and I call it the honey, like from the bees. You want to eat the honey from local bees because they’re going to give you immunity or exposure to the things that are in your environment, and then you can build your defense against it. That’s the same thing. That’s what your mouth is doing. You’re exposed to everything in your environment and your mouth builds a defense that’s different than the defense you need in your gut.

Sarah: I just want to clarify to people that what you’re saying is also that this is healable, that even if you’ve been using fluoride or SLS or having some of these more toxic ingredients in your toothpaste, that sounds like using them can destroy that good bacteria very quickly, but a little bit more slowly, but eventually you can heal those 12 inches and you can reshape the microbiome of your mouth. Is that accurate?

Trina: Absolutely. You regrow it very quickly. It only takes like three days. In fact, what’s really cool is I had a couple of customers, but recently there was a young lady who emailed me and she said, I just want to ask you this question. This sounds really funny, but I’ve been using the tooth powder for just three days and I swear my health is better. Is this abnormal or is this what’s supposed to happen? And I just laughed. I’m like, it’s supposed to happen. You just started your immune system back inside your mouth. You’re reducing inflammation everywhere. Everywhere! Your gum tissue, internally, your gut, everything. Your teeth are going to be better so it doesn’t take long. I did a Facebook Live last week and I was talking about oral health and I had three customers one after the other say, oh my gosh! ever since I’ve changed my mouth care to Dirty Mouth Tooth Powder, I haven’t been sick. And that is so true because the place to fight the viruses, the bacteria, everything, it’s the entry point, which is … we have to stop and think. The entry point for most bacteria viruses is in our mouth or our nasal passages.

Sarah: Yeah. Fascinating. So if people switch over their toothpaste and maybe little bonus, extra credit, start tongue scraping as well, what other things impact our oral health or what other things can they do? For example, are there foods that are good for oral health or bad for oral health? Is there anything else that we can do to support that microbiome and our overall health?

Foods and other things good for our microbiome

Trina: Yeah. I guess the foods that you eat. Obviously, you want to eat as much raw or natural. I don’t mean raw, not cooked, but raw, healthy, organic fruits and vegetables and meats and fish and stuff like that. Almost everything is more on the acidic side. Of course, your green veggies and things like that are more the alkaline, but you want to make sure that you are hydrated enough that you’re producing enough saliva because your saliva is your first defense, your natural defense against preventing the acid from staying acid and losing minerals. Your saliva is going to keep you more neutral and put minerals back in your teeth as you’re losing them, because it’s a street. People are crossing the street all the time. And the same thing is with your minerals. They go in and they go out and they go in and they go out and you just want to make sure you’re getting as many in as go out, if not more go in and go out. The other things that you can do include swishing your mouth with something. I’ve got a gum serum that helps keep your gums healthy, as well as your teeth healthy. The gum serum helps to decrease inflammation in your gum tissue. I also just came out with a CBD formula.

Sarah: Cool!

Trina: Yeah. We added CBD to it for the anti-inflammatory effects for your gum tissue. It’s primarily for your gum tissue which has been a great seller. People are loving that because it’s attacking the place, the portal of entry for where inflammation is getting inside your body. The other thing is just with your diet. The only thing I would recommend to people is limiting sugar as much as possible, and just because something’s healthy and natural doesn’t mean that in some way, it doesn’t have some bad effects. The one thing I want to mention is that regular table sugar, cane sugar, and honey are probably the two worst sugars inside your mouth to feed the bad bacteria, and I’m not saying get rid of them because honey is also good for you. But the idea behind it is you want to make sure that if you have anything with sugar in it, that you have a defense against it, and you don’t have an overgrowth of the bad bacteria. So by brushing with something that keeps you more alkaline, it’s going to prevent that bad bacteria from being overabundant in your mouth. And when you do eat something that has more sugar in it, you’re not going to be as affected because the bacteria that feeds off of it isn’t really inside your mouth. So just watching your sugar content. Not saying get rid of it because that’s not life. That’s not real, but just keeping an eye on it.

Sarah: Yeah, absolutely. It’s almost been two years now I cut most sugars out of my diet because it was actually giving me panic attacks. Obviously, there is the benefit of not having panic attacks with sugar consumption anymore, but the other benefit that I saw was my skin improved. My overall health improved, which makes a lot of sense based on what you just said and what I know to be true about sugar as well. Everything started to feel better when I reduced and started to really, really reduce that sugar. But like you said, it’s okay to have a gluten-free cupcake every once in a while and we’re human beings and we get to enjoy life and enjoy food. But man, I saw so many improvements when I stopped.

Trina: So many! One thing that sugar does for me, I notice and I’m the same way. I pretty much, and I’ve never really been a sugar person anyway, but I don’t eat much sugar at all. But when I do, I noticed that I stink three days later. I don’t normally have any issues when I sweat, but when I eat sugar, about three days later, I know I need to reapply my deodorant because that’s what sugar does to me. It stinks. It makes me stink.

Sarah: Yeah. Wow. It impacts us in so many different ways. It’s fascinating. And for me, it was an experiment. It was okay, well, let’s just see what happens and ended up giving me really good results to the point where I’m like, I love sugar. At least I used to, but now I don’t really even miss it cause it’s not worth it for me anymore, and obviously it’s been good for my oral health as well. So I know some of your products also are more on the beauty/skincare side, and I’d love for us to just be able to touch on that for a second because there’s also that microbiome of your skin. And if I’m correct, that’s also what your product started in, was more of the skin and the beauty, and then it evolved into oral health, which again, it’s just so fascinating to me. I’ve learned so much today, but with skin stuff, how do we protect that microbiome, or how do we add diversity to it?

Skin ingredients and microbiome

Trina: Yeah. So really the ingredients that are put in the washes for body washes, face washes, SLS and the other ingredients and triclosan, it strips away your natural body oil, especially on your face, and your natural body oil allows your good microbiome to live. So you need to keep your good microbiome and your natural oil. And I don’t mean when you wash your face, you feel oily or you notice anything. It’s actually just a thin layer that actually keeps the moisture inside your skin and protects you with that healthy microbiome. So most products, including face moisturizers, believe it or not, most face moisturizers dehydrate your skin because they contain water and water as it sits on your skin, it evaporates. It doesn’t absorb into your skin. It’s not adding any hydration to your skin. It’s actually pulling the moisture out of your skin and creating a place where you actually look older. It’s aging you because dehydrated skin shows the wrinkles and any discolorations and things like that more prominently. Makes you just look older. So with my face products, it’s an oil-based product. All of them are oil based, but they don’t strip your natural oil. They protect your natural oil, protect your natural microbiome. That’s where the healing begins. My face wash is actually made with saponified oils. It’s a process where the oil does allow it to be foamy a little bit, but it doesn’t strip your natural oil and your microbiome from your skin. You really need that microbiome. It’s really protective of you, just like the microbiome in your gut. It does the same thing. It protects you against things getting through your barrier and into your body and the problem with skincare, as opposed to eating things that are not healthy for you. When you ingest something, it goes to your liver. Your body breaks it down and it goes to your liver so it can detoxify those substances, convert them to water-soluble so that you can excrete them out of your urine.

But when you ingest something through your skin, it doesn’t go to your liver. It gets absorbed into your tissue and then into your vascular system. And that’s why when you ingest something through your skin, you would need a smaller dose, like a microdose. So when they put like nitro paste or some ointment on someone’s skin as a therapy or medication, you need such a microdose because it goes directly into your bloodstream full strength. It doesn’t get broken down. So that’s the problem with toxins in skincare is that when you put them on, they’re actually being absorbed right into your vascular system, and then they don’t get extruded. They don’t get broken down and they can cause all sorts of problems. Endocrine disruption, invade your neurosystem and cause cancer and things like that.

Sarah: Yeah. Yeah. I think so many people start. They’re like, okay, I don’t feel good. I’m going to start with all this internal stuff and they kind of leave out the two things we’ve discussed today, which is the mouth, which still internal, but you can still see it and then the skin. I am a woman who in all my teens and most of my twenties, I just had no idea. I just did not know anything about any of this, and so I was using pretty toxic over-the-counter skincare products and super toxic makeup. I started with celiac disease or was first diagnosed with celiac disease. But as many people listening probably know as well, oftentimes when you have one autoimmune disease, it’s likely to get another, but it’s also especially likely that you get a skin related one. And for me, I have eczema, but I also have vitiligo. It’s more in my forehead – you can’t see it as much today – as well as melasma from hormone imbalances too. And so I’m going, man, this has been probably what? 12, 15 years of just putting toxins on my body unknowingly and really not understanding the implications of that either. And then once I learned, I immediately stopped and I’ve really overhauled my own skincare routine as well as makeup. I just really try not to wear it as much as possible. But what would you say to somebody like me who in my brain, I’m like, man, I really destroyed the microbiome of my skin, but I want to… I’m only 31 years old. I got a lot of life ahead. I want to be able to restore it.

Trina: Oh, it’s easy to restore. I mean, it’s just like your mouth. It’s just not using the wrong products really. The products that I created, they’re all oil-based and I know a lot of people get terrified of oil. Oh no, I can’t put oil. It’s going to clog my pores. Oil is what passes through your skin. Your skin has a lipid barrier and it has to be lipid or oil or fat-solublep; in order to pass through it. In fact, most of the toxins or chemicals or active ingredients even that are either good or bad for you in other products are oil soluble, so they have to actually mix it with water because most products are watered down and then they use a toxic emulsifier and then they put these other ingredients in here and that stuff is what passes through. The water evaporates. Now you’ve got this other stuff that passes through into your body and it’s destroying your microbiome. But it’s really not hard and it’s pretty simple and really natural products, you use so much less. I know a lot of times people look at the price tag and they’re like, I can’t afford that. But when you stop and realize that when a product is 90% watered down, you’re using a lot. You’re using a lot to actually even feel anything on your skin, let alone try and get any results. And most of the time, most of the results are only going to make you look older than younger because of the implications of the bad stuff that’s in there. But when you use an oil base, you need such a tiny amount and it actually passes through into your skin and can actually nourish your skin and heal it very quickly, and then you can also regenerate that microbiome of your skin as well and that’s going to help improve your complexion and your reaction to other kinds of things like skin conditions and things like that.

Sarah: What about probiotic skincare? I don’t know if you have any of that or what your opinion is on that. Would you suggest or recommend probiotics for the skin the way that you’d recommend them for the gut? I remember you said that you only take probiotics for your gut when you’re sick. So same thing when your skin’s breaking out?

Trina: Seriously, to be honest with you, the whole probiotic craze is only a craze because we’re destroying every bit of our own microbiome. Seriously! Like when I said you really should not need, if you’re truly healthy, you probably don’t need probiotics and that’s true everywhere, so here’s my take on probiotics. I think they’re great and I think they can get you over the hump, but if you don’t make a change to something and usually that’s whatever you’re using, you’re only putting the probiotics on to put on the thing that’s killing all the bacteria. So to me, it’s like, what’s the point? I’m putting on probiotic skincare, but yet I’m washing my face with this thing that’s going to remove all the bacteria and kill it so you kind of have to stop and think. It’s the same thing with your gut, you know. Why take probiotics but then destroy everything inside your mouth and brush with something that has triclosan in it? And when you swallow triclosan, triclosan has been studied to actually destroy the microbiome in your gut. Not to mention they didn’t study it in your mouth, which cracks me up. I’m like, really? So obviously, it kills everything in your mouth.

The same thing with probiotic mouthwashes. People have asked me about that and I’m like, well, the same thing holds true. If you have a good microbiome in your mouth, you don’t need probiotics. And if you are using the wrong products, there’s no need to use probiotics because you’re killing it all anyway. You don’t have enough time between brushes to build anything, do anything with that probiotic wash. So for me, probiotics are something that can help get you over a hump. But if you don’t make a change, then they’re not going to do you any good. And once you’ve made the change, you most likely won’t need them, which is a bonus.

Sarah: Yeah. The research I’ve read too about oral probiotics is that they don’t colonize in your gut. They’re just there the day you take them. They’re not going to find a home there necessarily. They’re just going to move through your digestive system just like food does, and so to also receive the benefits, you have to continue taking them forever. It’s not like, oh, I’m going to do a month of probiotics and heal my whole body, and then again to the points that you made, it might not be as beneficial for people who already have a healthy microbiome in their mouth or their gut or their skin or wherever that is. So what other overall health tips support can we do to improve our bodies, especially a lot of my listeners are women with chronic illness. Is there anything that you can think of that maybe is like a oops or a mistake or someone might be doing that they can improve their overall health by making a change in their habit or a product or something that they’re putting on their body?

Trina: Well, I came out with a product … gosh, it’s probably been two years, but we just came out with a new version of it about six months ago. It’s a teeth whitener and everybody wants whiter teeth and the teeth whitener that I developed I like to say I snuck the veggies in there. So it’s a system. It’s more of a therapy system for your mouth and anybody that’s suffering from anything chronic listening to this, healing your mouth is probably the most beneficial thing you can do for your body. And I know it might sound hog washy and like, oh yeah, right. That’s going to make a difference, but it truly makes a huge difference. I’ve had so many customers write to me and tell me how they no longer get sick. Their kids are healthy; their teeth are healthy. They go to the dentist and they barely sit in the chair anymore and they don’t have any plaque. All these things that have been resolved. My gut never healed until I changed my mouth.

So what I did with this teeth whitener, because everybody wants whiter teeth. It’s truly a teeth whitener, but I added a couple of things in my formula to actually make your mouth completely healthy. It’s a system that actually plugs into your cell phone and the mouthpiece sits in your mouth. You set your timer for about 20 minutes for treatment, and it has blue and red LED lights on it and the red LED lights, and for anybody that has any kind of chronic issues, the red LED light is what really makes this unique. The red LED lights do the same thing for your gum tissue as red light therapy does for your skin. It improves circulation, decreases inflammation and any kind of healing that needs to go on, it speeds the healing, and improves collagen production. So in your gum tissue, it’s going to help reduce the inflammation and help keep your gum super healthy.

The blue LED lights do two things. Set up the wavelength. Harvard actually did a study, and at a certain wavelength, nanometers of light, the blue light will help whiten the enamel. So it will help whiten your enamel, but it also kills the bacteria that causes gingivitis or gum disease. And then instead of using peroxide, because peroxide literally dehydrates your enamel. That’s how it makes your teeth look whiter. Your enamel is your thickest part of your tooth and it’s also the whitest part of your tooth. The layer beneath your enamel is your dentin and the dentin has minerals in it, but it’s more of a fluid-filled. It’s there to protect you. It keeps you from feeling the pain or the crunch.

Sarah: It’s the shock absorber.

Trina: Yes, the shock absorber, but it also has things in there to protect you against any kind of infection. Underneath there is your pulp, which contains your blood vessels and your nerves, but your dentin is yellowish. For most people, it’s either yellow, gray, or bluish tinge. So for people that have thin enamel and for thin enamel, the first time they have thin enamel is that sensitivity to hot and cold. But the other thing is even though your teeth look stained, the yellowish or the bluish tinge might be becoming because you’re seeing your dentin. Your enamel is so thin, you’re not necessarily seeing any enamel anymore. You’re seeing dentin. So the difference between my system and other systems that are out there, it’s truly unique because what I do is instead of dehydrating your enamel and toxifying your body with peroxide, I actually rebuild your strongest part of your tooth and the whitest part of your tooth. If you can rebuild the enamel, you are actually rebuilding the white part of your tooth, and you are going to have long-term whiter, thicker, healthier teeth.

So with the gel that I created, it’s an activated charcoal gel. It’s in olive oil so the olive oil helps just like oil pulling helps to detox the gum tissue, but it also has nutrients in it for your gum. So it’s very gentle healing on your gums. Will not cause any pain. It actually does the opposite because it’s actually going to remineralize your teeth. It has activated charcoal, which will help pull toxins from your tissues and whiten your teeth. It has the two different clays in it so that while you’re doing your treatment, the minerals are there at your teeth and able to go back in to strengthen your enamel, whitening your teeth long-term. So this isn’t something that’s going to give you results like peroxide will in 20 minutes, because peroxide is just dehydrating your enamel whereas this is actually going to take the stains off so you might see some whitening, but over time it’s actually rebuilding your enamel.

And then the last ingredients are a mix of different essential oils that do a lot of things. They’re there to support your gum health. They’re there to support your microbiome, and they’re also there to whiten your teeth. The therapy session lasts about 20 minutes. We recommend the first one. You get your kit, you get 20 treatments so those 20 treatments are your first month. You do it five days a week for a month. And then after that, I recommend doing it about two or three times a week for 20 minutes. That’s it and it resets your whole entire mouth, which then will help heal your body.

Sarah: That’s amazing. I think that so many people are just completely unaware of what they’re doing when they go to get their teeth whitened, and you just shed so much light on what’s really happening and also an amazing alternative way to get the results I think.

Trina: Yeah. And long-term. I always like to think long-term. Something that’s going to support your health. And if you can support the enamel on your teeth, you can take your teeth to the grave. It’s just the mineral loss. That’s what a cavity is. It’s mineral loss. And if you can get rid of the acidic environment and you can create the minerals inside your teeth, you can, you can have really healthy teeth forever until you go.

Sarah: That’s amazing. I just flashed back to the very first thing you said which is that it was 10, 11 years until your daughter ended up losing that tooth that they said was not going to last, just through your own self-care, self-health at home, which is so, so cool and empowering really for the person who feels like they don’t have control over this, or I just have bad teeth, or my genetics are bad or I was just born with this mouth. You can actually do so much to support your oral health and the appearance of your teeth as well.

Trina: Yeah. And even though you might be inclined if your parents have weak enamel, it’s all epigenetic. It’s related to your environment and what you do, and you can make the changes and if you make the changes, you will see results. Everybody’s results are going to vary, be a little bit different from each others, but you can still make changes that are going to affect you in a positive way, because look at all the things, here’s the thing. You can either make the conscious effort to make changes that will affect you positively, or you’re going to let the FDA dictate what you use. And obviously, if you let them dictate, they’re only on the track of making you sick. I mean, that’s pretty much proven.

Sarah: Yup. Yeah. And making money.

Trina: That too.

Sarah: Well, I appreciate you so much, Trina. I would just love for you to tell the listeners where they can learn more, find your products.

Trina: Yeah. You can always find me on Facebook. I’m doing Facebook Lives all the time, and every Tuesday at 3:00 PM Eastern time, I jump on Live and I do a Q and A, so I actually answer questions to people. So even if you’re not a customer, but you have questions, that’s the perfect time to ask me. You can find me at www.primallifeorganics.com. You can find all my dental products there. If you’re interested in LED teeth whitener – I know a lot of people are – that’s one of our hot sellers, if you go to web the website, natural teeth whiteners with an S naturalteethwhiteners.com, you can actually get it at 50% off, which is a great deal so you can try that. And then I’m on Twitter and Instagram. They’re both @primallifeorg.

Sarah: Beautiful. Thank you again for your time today. I know I learned so much. I’m sure my listeners learned so much as well. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Trina: Thanks Sarah. It was great mouthing off with you.

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